Comer wrote:jimbo wrote:i know that i sound redundant, and that i have made this point many times, but you should believe in God because(and if you are intellectually honest you will agree) the synchronized, complex, beauty found in the world and everything in it, from the building blocks of life, to the human body, testifies plainly to an intelligence.
Hi Jimbo, you may be surprised to hear that I know where you're coming from with this. After spending a few days gorging myself on the complete Planet Earth series on Blu-ray, I joked to my wife, "you know, that could almost make me believe in a God!" But in the end, it
was only a joke. While I (like any other person on this planet, theist or atheist) am just blown away by the natural world we live in, it just doesn't make sense that it was all created by a personal god who loves us. Just a few reasons, firstly, it's far from perfect. The human body, while an amazing feat of engineering, it's not exactly the
perfect design that you would expect from perfect God. We break down alot. We're almost as unrealiable as PCs
. And you have got to admit that the design that lead to our method of giving birth is far from a work of genius. In fact it's downright dangerous. It's only in the last 100 years, with medical advances, that it's so much safer. Why would a God condem the people of the past 3 million years to such a dangerous means of ensuring the survival of the species, (in your case it's only 6,000 years, but still a long time).
Why have the Universe so big? Why, if his design is so perfect, and all of this is for us, has almost 99% of the species that ever leved become extinct. You've heard these arguments, and many more, here over the past year or so, so I won't bore you with more. Also I'm really getting sick of repeating myself to you.
The universe and everything in it is breaking down. Its not perfect. But that does not negate the logic that leads to a deduction that the has to be a creator, even a loving creator.
In the end, watching Planet Earth actually made me more convinced that there is not a loving designer of this planet. It's because this world is built on suffering. A natural disaster kills thousands and we are appalled and saddened. We think about the pain and terror those poor people must have endured before they died. Perhaps their death were slow and firey. Then we think about the ones left behind. If a hundred died, thousands of lives can be ruined as a result. Thankfully such occorances are rare, but what about the thousands of people every day that suffer horrible deaths?
The world has an enourmous amount of suffering, but its not all suffering. If it were i would be more inclined to think that you might be correct about the lack of a loving God being involved
In the animal kingdom, this kind of suffering happens ALL THE TIME. Just because the animals that are torn apart by predators cannot verbalise their pain, doesn't mean that their deaths are not agonising. It's not all rosy for the predators either, who probably spend 90% of thier lives hungry.
This world is all about suffering. If you could draw a line to separate all the animals and humans that have had miserable lives and those, like myself who has been incredibly lucky to have a happy comfortable life, I bet the vast majority would be on the miserable side of the line.
I disagree about those with less comfort than you or i. Plenty of people with the bare nescessities are just as happy as you or I, if not more so.
Of course, then there is all the evidence in the ground!!!, but of course you don't want to know about that.
. I bet you get a great laugh out of rising people with this stupidity act of yours. Nobody could really be this clueless.